Was Tien considered a valuable fighter in the Android/Cell saga

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Was Tien considered a valuable fighter in the Android/Cell saga
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sylentknyte	Oct 8 2012, 09:01 PM Post #1
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	As we know, in DBZ the humans quickly become irrelivant. However, I think Tien did have some relivance in the Android/Cell saga. The reason I say this is because when the Androids attacked, Krillen and Yamcha seemed to be considered almost useless. Tien on the other hand stood with Goku and Piccolo, ready to fight 19 and 20. Was this just because of Tiens warrior spirit, or was he considered an important part of the team? I'm wondering if they knew about the Neo-Tribeam. That really made Tien much more usefull than Yamcha and Krillen. Whenever they were in for a battle, Tien always seemed confident and at the forefront. I wonder if the Z fighters planned that, if things went south, Tien would hold down the enemy with a Tri-beam.



+ Pyrus	Oct 8 2012, 09:06 PM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Piccolo called them all useless when they were going after #20.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 8 2012, 09:07 PM Post #3
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Honestly I always thought just how he stood there with Goku, Piccolo, and Gohan I think he was an important part of the team. Tien has no fear so I don't see him there just to be there but I see him there to fight if he gets dragged in.



sylentknyte	Oct 8 2012, 09:09 PM Post #4
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	Kamikaze Pyro Oct 8 2012, 09:06 PM Piccolo called them all useless when they were going after #20. I see what you mean. But I remember what he said being more like "If you see them, get myself or Vegeta". Tien clearly wasn't a main fighter, but he held a trump card that the others didnt.



POOHEAD189	Oct 8 2012, 09:10 PM Post #5
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	I think Tien wasn't nearly as important as the Saiyans or Piccolo, but he was semi useful at least. He and Piccolo and Goku faced off against the androids. He went searching for Android 20 (Krillin did as well, but either way). He searched with Piccolo for Cell, and he held of Semi Perfect Cell. I'm a Tien fan, but I'd be lying if I said he was a key aspect of the Android Saga.Though I'd also be lying if I said he was useless. They sure did not act like he was useless throughout the saga. Edited by POOHEAD189, Oct 8 2012, 09:11 PM.
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+ Kyouks	Oct 8 2012, 09:10 PM Post #6
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Piccolo implied that the humans were trash, but Tien did still help out when he held back Semi-Cell, I guess. But of course, he simply delayed what was kind of the inevitable, so....I don't think he was as valuable a fighter as some try to make him out to be. But I suppose he was of some value, nonetheless. Edited by Kyouks, Oct 8 2012, 09:11 PM.



+ Clearin	Oct 8 2012, 09:13 PM Post #7
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Just by looking at his quotes for that saga on Herms strength checker you can tell he's useless :P Quote: Chapter 341 (DBZ 147), P6.2-3 Context: as Goku fights No.19 Tenshinhan: ”In-incredible…What strength…S-so that’s a Super Saiyan…He’s in a completely different dimension than we are…Too different…” Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P6.6 Context: after Tenshinhan, Gohan, and Kuririn want to chase after No.20 Piccolo: “I understand…But don’t try and fight him. He’s not an opponent you guys could handle…” Chapter: 349 (DBZ 155), P14.2 Context: Tenshinhan and Kuririn failing to knock down the laboratory door Kuririn: “This door is ex-extremely durable…!” Piccolo: “Get out of the way. I’ll destroy it.” Chapter: 366 (DBZ 172), P14.6 Context: as Piccolo goes to fight the androids Piccolo: “Don’t come, you guys. You ought to know that it would be pointless.” Chapter: 370 (DBZ 176), P11.6 Context: as first form Cell beats up on No.17 and Piccolo Tenshinhan: “Our worlds are too different…Extremely so…There’s nothing I can do…” Chapter: 390 (DBZ 196), P14.4 Piccolo (to Goku): “Then use the Room of Spirit and Time again. We’ve got the time. We just decided on the order: I’ll go first, then Vegeta will enter alone…And then Trunks…You two can enter again after that.” Tenshinhan: “Sorry...But I pass…He’s absolutely not an opponent I could fight…”



Strawberry	Oct 8 2012, 09:13 PM Post #8
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	Don't think so, to be honest. Tien is probably my second favorite character ever from the show and it's always annoyed me how forgotten he got after the Android saga, but I really don't believe his relevance throughout the Android Saga and especially during the Cell Saga was much higher or higher at all than Krillin's and Yamcha's. He seemed more confident in himself than the other 2 and he definitely ended up being a useful fighter when he (successfully) tried to hold back Cell from absorbing Android 18, but I don't think his relevance as part of the Z Warriors was studied or precalculated as you suggest. The reason why he was more upfront about fighting than Krillin and Yamcha is the fact that Tien has never really had a significant storyline on the show other than being a warrior. Krillin and Yamcha both had other aspects of their lives and personalities deeply explored, like their love lives and their role as comic relief... whereas Tien was consistently shown as a fighter only (he did have that little thing with Launch on DB but most of what was seen on TV was actually filler). So in my opinion that is why whenever they showed all the Z Warriors ready to fight during the Android saga Tien was always highlighted as a more competent fighter than the rest of the humans. His actual relevance to the fights didn't seem that mugh higher than the other 2 though.
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sylentknyte	Oct 8 2012, 09:14 PM Post #9
Posts: 790 Group: Member Member #5,932 Joined: March 30, 2011	Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 8 2012, 09:10 PM Piccolo implied that the humans were trash, but Tien did still help out when he held back Semi-Cell, I guess. But of course, he simply delayed what was kind of the inevitable, so....I don't think he was as valuable a fighter as some try to make him out to be. But I suppose he was of some value, nonetheless. I don't think it was Tien's fault though. If 16 and 18 actually had gotten the hell out of there when he started, they would have gotten away. I love that line actually. Tien (after working his *** off to hold Cell back): "CAN YOU TWO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!" Edited by sylentknyte**, Oct 8 2012, 09:15 PM.



Strawberry	Oct 8 2012, 09:17 PM Post #10
Chiaroscuro ♥ Posts: 17,000 Group: Rock Princess Member #1,750 Joined: September 24, 2006	I specifically love how on the show it took almost an entire episode for Android 18 and 16 to get out of that damn island LOL. You just wanna scream "Y U NO MOVE, IDIOTS?!" at the screen.
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Pylons	Oct 8 2012, 09:21 PM Post #11
Posts: 1,998 Group: Member Member #7,432 Joined: March 11, 2012	Idk why Tien, Krillin, Yamcha, Piccolo and Chiaotsu weren't given kaioken after training with King Kai. It would've helped keep the humans relevant when they started to fall behind.
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+ Kyouks	Oct 8 2012, 09:23 PM Post #12
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	sylentknyte Oct 8 2012, 09:14 PM Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 8 2012, 09:10 PM Piccolo implied that the humans were trash, but Tien did still help out when he held back Semi-Cell, I guess. But of course, he simply delayed what was kind of the inevitable, so....I don't think he was as valuable a fighter as some try to make him out to be. But I suppose he was of some value, nonetheless. I don't think it was Tien's fault though. If 16 and 18 actually had gotten the hell out of there when he started, they would have gotten away. I love that line actually. Tien (after working his ***** off to hold Cell back): "CAN YOU TWO GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE!" Yeh, this definitely contributes to it, I guess. Perhaps if #16 and #18 and went far, far away (to Narnia), then Semi-Cell probz wouldn't have been able to trick Veggie into letting him become perfect.



~~GridZero~~	Oct 8 2012, 09:33 PM Post #13
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Obviously not. If he wasn't holding back Semi Perfect Cell, Cell would've not only absorbed 18, but killed 16 for trying to defend her. Not only that, but he probably would've killed Vegeta for being too weak to do anything to him in his Perfect state, along with Cell. He wouldn't have been impressed enough with their power, IMO.



+ Kyouks	Oct 8 2012, 09:36 PM Post #14
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	GridZero Oct 8 2012, 09:33 PM Obviously not. If he wasn't holding back Semi Perfect Cell, Cell would've not only absorbed 18, but killed 16 for trying to defend her. Not only that, but he probably would've killed Vegeta for being too weak to do anything to him in his Perfect state, along with Cell. He wouldn't have been impressed enough with their power, IMO. Weyt wut. I don't get what you're tryna say.



~~GridZero~~	Oct 8 2012, 10:21 PM Post #15
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 8 2012, 09:36 PM GridZero Oct 8 2012, 09:33 PM Obviously not. If he wasn't holding back Semi Perfect Cell, Cell would've not only absorbed 18, but killed 16 for trying to defend her. Not only that, but he probably would've killed Vegeta for being too weak to do anything to him in his Perfect state, along with Cell. He wouldn't have been impressed enough with their power, IMO. Weyt wut. I don't get what you're tryna say. About what?



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